Posts by Old Navy

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Pale.Emperor And The Hypnotists

by pale.emperor in

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even as a jw i was fascinated with hypnosis and seeing people like derren brown putting people under almost instantly.

in the last 2/3 years when i was a jw but beginning to wake up from the bullshit i read up on hypnosis, watched a few youtube demos and explanations etc.

but never actually studied it seriously until about a year ago.

Old Navy

You've done a great service Pale Emperor! Exceedingly informative!

Hypnosis, or hypnotic states, are quite natural and are not inherently evil or wicked. We do indeed experience several varying levels of hypnotic state throughout the course of each day. Those who are "hooked" on TV or Movies experience numerous events. What takes place in the typical Kingdom Hall as the "indoctrination" is methodically doled out can be intensely hypnotic.

Life is Wonderful! We are able to make countless choices as we "feel" the need! We can be and are influenced by "skilled operators!"

Not to worry. We do have the means to "resist" all badness once we have knowledge.

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Return of the Dub (plus surprise guest)

by TerryWalstrom in

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return of the dub (plus surprise guest)dealing with just one frisky, bright-eyed jehovah’s witness is a handful.one on one is manageable.

two jw’s is more like juggling chainsaws or french kissing alligators.i had a return visit the other day and now, the jw was returning the 2nd time, but with another dub.what would my strategy be?

that’s how the day was spent.

Old Navy

Quote from Now What?:

I hate to veer off target but on a similar vein, why didn't an all knowing God foresee the disasterous consequences of allowing the angels to materialize on earth in the first place?

He did! It was all part of the Great Plan. It encompasses the Whole Creation. The Final Outcome will be very, very good.

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Return of the Dub (plus surprise guest)

by TerryWalstrom in

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return of the dub (plus surprise guest)dealing with just one frisky, bright-eyed jehovah’s witness is a handful.one on one is manageable.

two jw’s is more like juggling chainsaws or french kissing alligators.i had a return visit the other day and now, the jw was returning the 2nd time, but with another dub.what would my strategy be?

that’s how the day was spent.

Old Navy

Well done Terry! A valiant effort. Yes, seeds were "planted." The Well Indoctrinated Witness Mind is the rockiest sort of soil; nearly solid rock, but perhaps a seed or two found a way into a crevice or crack where it may take root and split the rock.

You felt physically drained following the encounter which is typical. One of the two was more experienced in the art of "making the sale" while "deflecting the seeds" and you clearly felt his psychic pressure to break your resolve. Standing up to that sort of pressure, which originates with the Father of the Lie, can be exhausting. You did it well!

It is true that wickedness took hold again following the flood and re-population, but, that was in the Great Plan. Satan's essential job was far from finished.

Stage One - eliminate (or greatly reduce) the Nephilim Influence.

Stage Two - Employ the Lake of Fire to finish the work of eliminating wicked desire. What is yet to come will be much different.

The Lake of Fire is not fatal to Mankind.

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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?

by Old Navy in

the presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.

i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?

aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.

Old Navy

Quote from Cofty:

"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve." - 1Tim.2:11-13
The instruction to Timothy to keep women out of teaching and leadership is unambiguous.

It looks to me like Paul is there saying that a Woman should not teach a Man or assume authority over a Man. Paul also adds clarification to the Man's role elsewhere as it applies to his behaviors and conduct. It would be comforting to believe that Women had participated in the training of youth and engaged in discussion within the get-togethers that those early congregations enjoyed.

Are there are any concrete examples of how things were managed in those early congregations and what sorts of participation and responsibilities the Women may have had?

It appears that the age of Manhood in those times was 20 years while the age that a marriage may be entered into was 18 years for males.

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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?

by Old Navy in

the presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.

i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?

aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.

Old Navy

Quote from Half Banana:

The best thing for women is the same as for men; get as far away as possible from crackpot, mind controlling religions with out-dated gender roles and get a sound secular education. At least then you can then base your life on factual things not Bible mumbo jumbo.

Well said! I agree fully. There is indeed a great deal of "Bible mumbo jumbo" in those Cults/Sects of Christendom (WTBorg Cult Inc. foremost) who lack Love and who employ Deception as they enforce the Rules of Men.

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What could Jw church do to enhance their shunning regime?

by Chook in

if they controlled a nation they would stone their kids to death , which seems harsh but its nothing compared to the solitary confinement they emotionally and physically bestow on their own children.

i think they have ticked every box as to the rejection of their children except killing them, they leave that for god ..

Old Navy

Something happened - the link didn't insert! Try again.

Some "Churches" handle it properly and Biblically.

Shunning is indeed a Cruel and Unusual Punishment.

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What could Jw church do to enhance their shunning regime?

by Chook in

if they controlled a nation they would stone their kids to death , which seems harsh but its nothing compared to the solitary confinement they emotionally and physically bestow on their own children.

i think they have ticked every box as to the rejection of their children except killing them, they leave that for god ..

Old Navy

Excommunication is common within Christendom but shunning isn't.

Some "Churches" handle it properly and Biblically.

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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?

by Old Navy in

the presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.

i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?

aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.

Old Navy

Bobcat,

The link you provided regarding "Women in Ancient Israel" is poignant. So as a matter of Truth, the WTBorg Cult Inc. is an extension of Pharisaic Law (Rules of Men.)

You make your argument very convincingly!

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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?

by Old Navy in

the presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.

i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?

aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.

Old Navy

Bobcat,

Very interesting thoughts regarding the Sign of Jonah.

Since the Pharisees believed that a man wasn't dead until three days had elapsed; and that we know it would be very difficult for a man to remain alive in the belly of a fish (or whale), could it be that Jonah was actually dead for those three days and was made alive again when he was expelled onto the beach?

Jesus also let his good friend Lazarus go for three days (perhaps to show the Pharisees that he was really dead) before going to him to bring him back to life. Nobody could deny that Lazarus had died and yet he was miraculously brought back to life. The strongest form of proof that even the Pharisees could not reject.

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What really should be the role of Women in the congregations?

by Old Navy in

the presumably "biblical" practice of limiting the way women participate in congregational matters of the wtborg cult inc. (as well as certain other sects of christendom) may be a gross mis-interpretation of what paul meant.

i'm inclined to agree completely with this account of what paul really meant.. thoughts anyone?

aren't women more deserving of greater participation and respect?.

Old Navy

Quote from Diogenesister:

In fact the scriptures were Paul is particularly scathing of women are the very ones academics don't believe he wrote such...

And they think correctly since Paul was quoting a letter from Chloe:

Quote from Article:

Such is the case in 1 Corinthians 14:34, 35, which, if written today, would have been set apart in quotation marks, for Paul here was quoting directly from Chloe’s letter (1 Corinthians 1:11; 5:1; 7:1). In other words, these verses are not to be taken as Paul’s instruction to the church, but as a teaching that someone else was setting forth.

In truth, Paul was showing that the teachings he quoted regarding Women were incorrect. Paul was not advocating that Women should be silenced or treated as they were in Pharisaic Law.

How can the WTBorg Cult Inc. have gotten it so wrong? How could "God's chosen channel" adopt Pharisaic Law regarding Women and call it "righteous?"